I'm still sick, both physically and otherwise (this week!), but I think it's time to post something about what's been happening since Wednesday when Charlie Kirk was shot and killed in Utah.
This will mostly be BlueSky posts, shown in chronological order. Now, of course, we (probably) know more than we did on Wednesday or Thursday about who was responsible: a 22-year-old, white Utah man, immersed in gamer culture, and possibly what's called a groyper. Or maybe "just" a nihilist like the Annunciation school shooter here in Minneapolis a few weeks ago, looking for notoriety among the nihilists.
Multiple people predicted that if it turned out to be someone from the right or a groyper, the story would disappear in two days, instead of being fodder for two months. So we'll see about that by next week.
As anyone knows who was paying attention as things unfolded, Trump — and too much of MAGA generally — immediately proclaimed the shooter was a leftist, probably trans, and some called for war against the left. Overnight last night, Stephen Miller posted a screed to some social media or other that was an inverted view of reality, describing a death ideology that needs to be annihilated from the U.S. He meant Democrats, of course, when it was a near-perfect description of his own beliefs.
Meanwhile, Kash Patel's remnants of the FBI looked like the Keystone Kops, mostly because Patel kept tweeting things he shouldn't have.
And of course, mainstream media, the right, and centrists all aligned on pretending Charlie Kirk was a saint who should only be praised. No one should be killed for their views (of course!), but at the same time, it makes no sense to erase what a person like him repeatedly said and did when he was alive because it has suddenly become inconvenient. If "He was no saint" ever applied, this is the time.
I have to cut this off at about 3:30 Central Time on Friday... so who knows what will happen after this. But here's my partial document of what has transpired.
(I'm not going to block quote the BlueSky posts — if it has an italic attribution, it's from BlueSky.)
First day – the shooting happened
After the shooting, what I saw on BlueSky was news about it, people saying political violence is never the answer, some mention of Kirk's bad activities in the past, and reposting of what was happening X/Twitter — where they were screaming about BlueSky posters dancing on Kirk's grave. Which was not happening, as far as I could see.
It is incredibly simple to acknowledge that violence in any form is awful and erodes society.
Philip Bump
When a right-wing man murdered Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota, progressives asked MAGA to tone down the rhetoric to prevent more violence. Within hours of Kirk’s murder, motive still unknown, the right is demanding that the government wage a campaign of violence against their enemies.
Radley Balko
For everyone saying political violence has no place in this country… Remember two Democratic legislators were shot in Minnesota just this year. And America shrugged and moved on.
Karen Attiah
And the CDC was shot up with over 500 bullets for political reasons just a few weeks ago, and the response wasn’t even a shrug from the right. It was to not even acknowledge it happened and leave the bullet holes in the building to traumatize workers.
greenlightening.bsky.social
Good thing Trump retasked over 50% of ATF agents to cracking down on roofers with green cards
Will Stancil
I condemn the violence that killed Charlie Kirk, but I also condemn Charlie Kirk. He terrorized a nation and left our democracy much poorer. His was the politics of creating hate-objects. And under the pretense of "debate" he conducted propaganda. These are not our communal values.
Jen Mercieca
and the people who mocked and made up shit about the attack on paul pelosi have thoughts about decorum and we should definitely take them very very seriously
@andylevy.net
George Floyd was a father too and Charlie Kirk called him a “scumbag.”
mamamoo @thelovelymc.bsky.social
On a night like tonight, I think we can all agree on three things: the U.S. is a far too violent country, with warlike levels of gun violence; people shouldn't be murdered due to what they believe or say, no matter how awful, and Kash Patel is an embarrassing joke as the director of the FBI.
Joy-Ann Reid
Here are some things that Charlie Kirk said in his life. The man is dead, and so it only seems fair to share his legacy by cataloguing the values he spread while alive:
Sean Fay-Wolfe
I thought people were exaggerating, but no, it really is the case that liberal politicians posting platitudes about the Nazi Youth youtuber never posted anything about Melissa Hortman
jon ben-menachem
It is weird that the assassination of essentially a celebrity influencer is a bigger deal than the shooting of two top state legislators + their spouses.
Matthew Downhour
@bluesky moderation is suspending people for posting Kirk's own words, which tells you everything you need to know.
Prisonculture
In his Oval Office address on political violence, Trump lists the attempt on his life, the Scalise shooting, and attacks on ICE agents. He does not mention Jan 6th, the attack on the Pelosi family, the Hortman murders, the kidnapping attempt on Gretchen Whitmer, or the fire at Gov Shapiro’s house. This should go without saying, but Trump is not opposed to political violence. He’s opposed to violence against his political allies. He is either silent about, or approving of, violence against his political enemies.
Max Berger
Our politics seems to be entering a phase of "right supremacy" where only the lives of right-wingers have value. Assassinating the leader of a state legislative body in her own damn home was business as usual, but all of America has to have a reckoning if it's a far-right online influencer.
Dante Atkins
If Charlie Kirk had been, say, a Black Panther or member of the Nation of Islam and went around college campuses saying white people weren't qualified to fly planes or deserved to die in mass shootings, no one would eulogize him by saying he was "practicing politics the right way."
Doug Gordon @brooklynspoke.bsky.social
So MSNBC reportedly fired Matthew Dowd tonight just hours after Jesse Watters called for his "immediate" termination over his Charlie Kirk shooting comments. Meanwhile, Watters said he's going to "avenge" Kirk's death because "they are at war with us" -- and he'll face no repercussions from Fox.
Justin Baragona
Second day (I think: BlueSky doesn't date recent posts very clearly)
Pundits are focusing on Kirk’s willingness to debate people while
studiously ignoring the people whose basic humanity he was willing to
debate
Kevin M. Kruse
I am wondering if a lot of the outpouring of emotion over Charlie Kirk is born out of an idea that if we just show how much empathy we have the right will see it and it will melt their hearts. We will all come together to condemn political violence and a new more cooperative mood will overtake us.
Mac McGill @maddmac.bsky.social
Safe to say the media and our culture has a conservative bias (duh, always been that way!) Elites view conservatives as normal, good Americans and liberals as people trying to change everything good and decent about America. Liberals cannot win this battle in the media, especially on social media.
Bryan @bryanformhals.com
Charlie Kirk may have been good at showing up at college campuses and talking to anyone who would listen etc. But the org he headed built a database of professors to target with harassment campaigns in the hopes of drumming them out of academia. Is that practicing politics the right way?
Isaac! At the Butler!
He was a terrible person who should have lived a long life, long enough to see his ideas rejected by the majority of the country, and now he is being treated as a martyr for his terrible cause.
FilmAlicia
i think anyone saying Charlie Kirk practiced politics the right way or that we should continue his work should first have to read out loud his last days' worth of posts to someone they love who doesn't know who he is
Andrew Lawrence
It is quite simply dishonest to describe TPUSA as a “free speech” organization and not even mention the “Professor Watchlist,” as NPR just did. Reporting on a crime does not entail adopting the victim’s views.
Ted McCormick
When you publish a website that posts the names and photos of scholars who have written or said things you disagree with and encourage people to surveil and harass them, you are not, in fact, a “free speech” organization.
Kevin M. Kruse
Half-masting flags for a guy who was essentially a glorified podcaster just because he turned in the same deranged circles that the VPOTUS does seem like a logical midpoint of the gradual degeneration of American society.
@dov.bsky.social
rarely have I more acutely felt the dynamic by which Democrats are held responsible for the rhetoric of every random left-leaning person on the internet and Republicans are not even asked to answer for their own personal words
Micah @rincewind.run
NGL today several different online platforms all independently making a strong case that social media is bad for society
Pwnallthethings
I get right now is not the right time, but at some point we’re going to have to have a real conversation about whether or not a modern liberal democracy can actually coexist with social media as it’s currently constructed
@charlesdeguava.bsky.social
these people would start a gofundme for John Wilkes Booth
stephanie roberts @ringtales.bsky.social
Grok says that videos of Charlie Kirk being shot are memes and that he's actually fine
kate conger
One of the defining experiences of my life, and I think yours, is gradually witnessing the internet degrade from the most sophisticated tool for information distribution in history into a cesspit of misinformation and falsehoods. It's a world-historical tragedy, what's happening to us.
Nick @slothropsmap.bsky.social
“awful people don’t deserve to be killed, but they don’t deserve to be praised, either” is apparently a thought too complex for the pundit mind
Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social
Talking to my students, I was reminded of how much the classroom has changed in the wake of Kirk and TPUSA; how it had become oppositional rather than collaborative, a place that invited trolling rather than good faith. If we can’t teach and learn from and with each other, what’s the point?
Matthew L Reznicek @drreznicek.bsky.social
The fact that the person who killed Charlie Kirk [supposedly, since found to be false] left behind evidence that says "blame the trans antifa" does not make me think it's LESS likely to be someone deep into the alt right.
Courtney Milan
My sense is that most Americans had not heard of Charlie Kirk until yesterday. The first and perhaps only thing they're going to hear about him from the most trusted and important voices in American politics is that he was a model and constructive participant in good-faith political discourse.
Osita Nwanevu
As someone who spent many hours listening to Kirk’s show on AM radio, I would say that he made Rush Limbaugh seem like Walter Cronkite by comparison, in terms of rhetorical tone and empirical rigor. The subtext of every show was “You don’t hate the left enough.”
Seth Cotlar
Honoring democracy means eschewing terror as a political tool, but it also means taking people’s words and ideas seriously as a reflection of their goals and personal character. Along the same lines, we need language for verbal political conflict other than just "disagreement." Kirk did not "disagree" with queer people, Black people and Jews, he explicitly argued that they should be suppressed and deprived of their rights through state power.
Ned Resnikoff
If anyone on the left was as nasty to people on the right as Charlie Kirk was to everyone not a white Christian nationalist, every fucking liberal pundit, including Klein, would scold that leftist for not doing politics right, and you know it.
Dr. Genevieve Guenther @doctorvive.bsky.social
Mainstream media's Charlie Kirk narrative: Sure, he believed LGBTQ people should be stoned to death, black people are inferior and unqualified, women are only meant to serve men, 10 year old girls should be forced to give birth. But he meant well.
Frank Conniff
The fact that right-wingers commit the vast bulk of domestic terrorism in the US is well-established by numerous expert investigations and reports. But the right *accuses* the left more often, makes more *noise* about it, so they've bullied reporters into framing this as a "both sides" problem.
David Roberts @volts.wtf
You know who was also a young husband and father—not to mention ex-Marine—who died, not attacking others to make himself rich and powerful, but to save the lives of others? David Rose, the officer killed by the anti-vax domestic terrorist who attacked the CDC.
Tom Schaller @schaller67.bsky.social
I don't recall seeing this type of response when two politicians in Minnesota were assassinated. Not when school children are murdered either. But here's the thing. Anyone can be harmed by gun violence. I guess some folks just realized they're also made of mortal flesh.
Ann Aguirre
I am appalled that so many people are questioning the ability of this man to efficiently and wisely lead the FBI:
Helen Kennedy
hey the people that stormed the capitol and erected gallows to murder elected leaders want you to know that political violence is not ok
Manik
If the shooter had killed a leftist podcaster, he would have a multi million dollar Go Fund Me to cover his legal fees tomorrow, and an interview lined up with Charlie Kirk.
Alex Arrelia
We can be morally outraged by an assassination and at the same time acknowledge that Charlie Kirk’s racism and misogyny were immoral. Whitewashing his behavior and beliefs betrays the collective by masking how we got to this place in America.
Shannon Watts
I guess the main thing I’m learning this week is that lots of elite media people knew charlie kirk personally and didn’t know any minnesota state legislators
Josh Fruhlinger @jfruh.bsky.social
Just trying to imagine if someone had suggested that Abbie Hoffman lie in state in the US Capitol Rotunda or that flags across the country be lowered to half mast in his honour - what the media reaction, political reaction would be. We are living in a complete and utter dystopia.
quick13
Charlie Kirk spent his life making people like me unsafe. His followers sent me death threats for years and threatened my employer if they didn’t terminate me. His work was NEVER about free speech. It was about hate and emboldening violent people. The dishonesty of the past 24 hrs is disgusting.
jenn m. jackson (they/them)
Today (third day)
he was a champion of free speech and if you disagree you're under arrest
Andrew Lawrence
We still know nothing about Charlie Kirk’s shooter and Republicans are blaming the left and declaring war, meanwhile we know a lot about the Evergreen High School shooter (he was a far right extremist who shot a Jewish kid) and it’s crickets from Republicans.
The Volatile Mermaid @ohnoshetwitnt.bsky.social
Day three of the media pretending that Charlie Kirk believed in free speech and failing to note that his signature political project was the creation of McCarthyite watchlists of college professors to harass out of their jobs and out of society.
Craig Calcaterra
"Charlie Kirk gave me the courage to be more transphobic" is a wild thing to put in a both-sides hagiography. I don't like doing this. It feels fucked up to constantly point out the negative dimensions of someone who just died in a horrific, worrying way. But I would like the media to tell basic truths about this person and his impact on public life rather than resorting to euphemism and outright lies! Political violence isn't bad because the victims are good people, it's bad because it's bad!
Michael Hobbes
Kirk recently tweeted: “Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.” Dude was odious and made America a worse place. Should he have been shot? No. I wish he had lived and atoned for his views and tried to repair all the damage he did to this country. But I am not sad he's gone.
afferentinput.bsky.social
people pretend that debate signals and defends a commitment to high-minded politics. what it elevates instead is performative dishonesty as a basic mode of politics
Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò
Debate implies good faith discussion with both sides open to changing their minds based off facts shared. What “debate” is today is a match as to who can “own” the other person by saying things so outrageous that they get more attentions. It’s partisan cyber wrestling except people actually get hurt
brutallyrandom.bsky.social
I think many people really believe “debate” *is* high-minded, which is a huge problem. There is deep cultural hostility towards intellectual charity and humility. It’s like social darwinism but for ideas. Let the champions of the ideas fight. The winners ideas are stronger. Therefore, they are true.
Robert Wallace @philosobobby.bsky.social
all i know is that normalizing debate with fascists has only facilitated the rise of fascism.
Wagatwe Wanjuki
Politicians and the media that remember pre-2000 high school debate don't know it's all Gish Gallop now. And GG is all these young conservatives do. CK turned GG into a very lucrative money maker.
RealAnneMarie1
If they are so proud of who that dude was and what he stood for, why are they are trying to get people fired for posting verbatim things that he said? They’re more: “How dare you post that!” than “Damn right Gay people should be stoned/MLK was evil/Black women are unintelligent”etc. Worth asking.
Dave Zirin @edgeofsports.bsky.social
Charlie Kirk fans threaten HBCUs because they want to lash out at Charlie’s enemies, and theirs, and they’re conceding that means black people. Not ONLY, but definitely.
Pope Hat @kenwhite.bsky.social
Remember: If it turns out he’s a leftist, that indicates a pervasive problem of violence on the left. If it turns out he’s a groyper, that means nothing whatsoever and he will disappear from the news cycle immediately.
Michael Hobbes
It's just insane to me how quickly and universally people in power have united around the idea that this is the one guy you can't say mean things about. I mean, in this case, disallowing immigration because you mocked him? The man was obsessed with great replacement theory. He hated immigrants!
@scoopsstp.bsky.social
The discourse over Kirk’s career is really hammering home how little the media and so many Dems understand the concept of lying or bad faith arguments. An entire life dedicated to poisoning the well under the guise of ‘an exchange of ideas’ and nobody is capable of calling it out for what it was.
Jessica Addams @touristgally.bsky.social
He [the killer] was white. He was Christian. He was from a conservative law enforcement family. He was raised with guns. IT IS TIME FOR THE VIOLENT RHETORIC AND THREATS OF FUTURE VIOLENCE TO END.
Fred Guttenberg
Is it a good sign that our country is run by and also terrorized by weird losers who spend way too much time online?
Tom Basgen, Mr. Saint Paul
Each alleged mass shooter is even more On the Computer All the Time than the previous one. Probably nothing to worry about there
Anna Merlan
Kirk didn't serve in the military or hold office. The war hero treatment — half-mast flags, military guard, Air Force Two escort, calls for a statue at the Capitol or to lie in the Rotunda — shows that for MAGA, service to Trump has become the highest, most honorable form of service.
Radley Balko
He never even held an actual job in an actual industry. He was just a MAGA influencer, that’s all.
Strahan Cadell @quincunctial.bsky.social
Had a meeting with some folks in Europe this morning and let me tell you this all looks even weirder and more incomprehensible from their vantage point.
Sarah Goodyear
I see the anti-empathy crowd is on the warpath against people expressing non-empathy for Charlie Kirk.
Mollie Katzen
There are so many levels to this dystopia but there's one common theme here, and it's pretty scary that "nihilistic clout-chasing" is perhaps the central American value at this moment in time.
Insipid Twaddle
Charlie Kirk was saying that "too many" shooters are transgender while in the process of being shot by a white cisgender male. Never has there been a more on the nose example of threat modeling gone wrong.
Emily Gorcenski
It’s always striking how many right-wing Christians weaponize the concept of forgiveness to avoid accountability.
Leah McElrath
The Annunciation killer and Kirk’s killer have/had more in common than what differentiates them.
@pattho.bsky.social
So now that it’s confirmed that none of the messages on the bullets were pro-trans, maybe we should have a national conversation about how multiple newspapers repeated a lie about us on their front pages hours after doubts had already been cast over it?
Julianna @batariangal.bsky.social
Not left, not right, but a secret third thing (dumb as shit)
Leonid Baezhnev @rev-avocado.bsky.social
God it's so disingenuous to pretend that all Charlie Kirk did was “have horrible opinions.” The man co-founded an organization that’s sole function was to fight tooth and nail to indoctrinate children at school into violent white nationalism. He wasn’t even just a pundit. He was ceo of the baby Nazi factory.
Zoë Quinn @unburntwitch.com
Where are the nonstop profiles of the killer's family?? Nobody ever asks how so called “normal” white parents keep raising racist, misogynistic and homophobic killers? If it was a Black kid we would already know that his great grandfather June Bug was locked up for pimping WW.
KMJeezy
The reason Charlie Kirk is being lionized by so many journalists is simple: he was very good at cultivating journalists and it seems a lot of journalists don't seem to understand the concept of being cultivated as a pet reporter in exchange for scoops or leads. They think he was their friend.
Brooke @brooklynmarie.bsky.social
They’re going to crack down on memes before they crack down on guns.
Bullprog
Huh an awful lot of rhetoric shifted from Old Testament to New Testament over the past few hours
Seth Masket @smotus.bsky.social
Media discovering groypers for the first time reminds me of when they first encountered incels. Those of us who study misogyny or followed Gamergate had been screaming about incel culture and violence for years. Coverage of hate groups is far too reactive.
@coreyryung.bsky.social
man they really didn't give a shit about that guy [Kirk]. as soon as it was clear they couldn't use his death to launch a purge they started to treat it like a nothingburger
jamelle @jamellebouie.net
When it happened I thought “it’s a groyper white nationalist follower of Nick Fuentes.” Then I watched Fuentes’ livestream about it, he was so upset that it made me think, “oh, he thinks so too.” And now look, not a leftist at all — a groyper! And just days after Fuentes was featured in the times!
Mike McCarthy
Annette Marie @twistedrose64.bsky.social
going from "transgender ideology" to "look at the poor misguided white kid" without even taking a breath, unconscionable
Micah @rincewind.run
I want you all to just watch how quickly mainstream media moves on from this story now.
Ida Bae Wells @nhannahjones.bsky.social